• http://www..heidicool.com/blog/ cool

    I think there are a lot of great free and pay tools available, but none can do everything on their own. Given the disparate social media services, the variations in goals (from brand monitoring to selling widgets), and the systems we have in place to measure sales, leads, etc., any monitoring we do requires human analysis. The tools can provide data, but we as marketers must still aggregate and sift through that data to determine what numbers are both informative and relevant in terms of our own goals.

    That seems to be the point at which many people fail. They focus on results that don't really impact their goals, such as getting great lots of traffic from X, many mentions on Y, a #1 Google ranking on a keyword, etc. without digging deeper to see if such things really help. If the traffic from X bounces, the mentions on Y don't bring in visitors, and no one searches that keyword, then these results have no useful impact.

    To really measure results we need to understand what sort of online exposure our brands and products are getting AND whether that is having a positive or negative effect on name recognition, reputation, lead generation, sales, customer service or whatever our goals happen to be.

  • laurenvargas

    The tool can only do so much…there is a human element that needs to be addressed. The space and tools are still new to several people and the technology is constantly evolving. When choosing a solution for your company or client, you need to align the technology with your objectives and reign in expectations with what is realistic.

    Lauren Vargas
    Community Manager at Radian6
    @VargasL

  • http://hhtp://philgo20.com philgo20

    Thxs for that valuable contribution. I couldn't agree more and that should have been the conclusion of my post.

    FYI, your signature link to your blog is broken because of a double point .. typo.

    Thanks again !

  • http://www.heidicool.com/blog/ cool

    Thanks Phil, I wonder how that got in there. If it's on Discus it could be wrong in multiple places. Ugh.

  • cgtheoret

    Wow Phil,

    excellent analysis. We in fact have a very similar conclusion and many of our clients are now people who are 'post-radian6' or 'post-sysomos'. Social media is providing us with a wealth of data and the real value proposition doesn't lie in the collection of that data, but in the analysis of that data, as you so well point out:

    There’s a clear need to be able to classified results by social engagement, source, language, sentiment and geo-demographics. There’s spam in Google results as well obviously and you need good tools and techniques to cut through the noise.

    Looking at the Gartner Hype Curve and the position of social media monitoring tools also tell a similar story:http://www.exvisu.com/2009/08/12/social-network-analysis-from-disillusionment-to-enlightenment/

  • http://hhtp://philgo20.com philgo20

    Thxs Claude and thxs for the quote ;-)

    I also think that more and more value will come from the analysts ability to coupled the social media monitoring data with other entreprise data (CRM obviously, web analytics, sales and POS data, events, etc.).

    Looking forward pursuing our discussions in a non-digital environment ;-)

  • http://blog.moreover.com/ zakig

    Hi Phil, really enjoyed that post. I think it's important to remember that no solution is perfect and often the most important tool in any monitoring solution is the human end-user creating and managing various searches!

    There are so many great solutions on the market right now, each pushing the new technology forward, and make social media monitoring an increasingly valuable tool, as the tools and users evolve together I'm sure we will see that value increase no end.

  • jonnybgood

    Interesting post and subsequent debate. Time and space permitting I would deal with each issue from the point of view of ASOMO (our client list includes the major as well as more regional players – we're concentrated in Europe).
    Good starting points are Social Media Analysis guides – listing both the companies as well as analysing key considerations in contracting a service. Social Target Guide to Social Media Analysis is a good one, . They're about to do a cross platform comparison that addresses many of the issues raised above. E-Consultancy also have a guide (UK/Europe focused) and I've also provided info to the Aberdeen Group for something similar.
    To avoid the some of the abovementioned pitfalls, make sure you get a clear idea of exactly what you'll be getting. How is the data collected, analyzed (human, automatic), which metrics (volume,sentiment, impact) etc and presented (dashboard, insight-added reports?). Get them to show you a real example from start to finish and you should get an idea of the accuracy and reliability as well as the time and human resources required from your side.
    Jon Moody
    http://www.asomo.net
    Twitter: jonnybgood68

  • http://hhtp://philgo20.com philgo20

    Absolutely and I think that analysts and technicians with the ability to construct sound queries, refine them based on results and drill down to extract value will become hot commodities for brands, media or PR agencies using these tools.

    Learn a little boolean search 101 ;-)

  • http://hhtp://philgo20.com philgo20

    Glad to read you here Jonathan. I've been hearing more and more about your company.

    I totally agree on your points and I'd like to point readers to my own list of tips to select vendors
    http://philgo20.com/2009/06/tips-to-choose-an-o…

    and to ScoutLabs valuable and more detailled questions list :
    http://www.scoutlabs.com/2009/08/31/advanced-qu…

  • http://webconomist.blogspot.com Webconomist

    We have a monitoring tool, but haven't opened it up to public/business use yet. What we've found is that the big problem comes from most of these services only connecting via API to Google, Yahoo or and/or Bing…and that's a BIG problem, since they have inherent bias in the results they deliver.

    We search separately from the consumer engines. Also, almost all the monitoring tools DO NOT even access Social Networks, newsgroups, .alt's, BB's or Usenet. Which means a lot gets missed.

  • http://twitter.com/PhilGo20 Philippe Gauvin

    I think most modern toolsdo this also (searching on twitter, facebook (what's available of it), forums).

    One free tool doing this is Social Mention.com Numerous vendors tool do this also.

    What's your company name ?

  • gilescrouchwebconomist

    Thanks for the comment; most don't search Facebook and certainly not forums (only those publicly open, which is about 5% of what's going on) or newsgroups, .alt's etc.

    My company is MediaBadger (http://www.mediabadger.com) and the product is mediasphere360 which we've been developing for 2 years now.

  • http://twitter.com/PhilGo20 Philippe Gauvin

    Looking forward a demo of your product. Let me know when ready.

    thanks for the input. Are you on Twitter ?

  • http://www.seoconsult.co.uk Jack

    Hi Phil
    Such a beautiful post it is.Nice.We have a big market of this profession and in this great market there are many great solution which push the new technology and apps forward and making social media so grown.
    Great work…!!!

  • http://www.seoconsult.co.uk Jack

    We have a big market of this profession and in this great market there are many great solution which push the new technology and apps forward and making social media so grown. Sometimes we expect these tools to work fast and give us fast results and thats true

  • Jeff

    Searching Social Networks is great, it reminds me of http://www.searchulike.com that helps search social Bookmarks…

  • http://philgo20.com/ philgo20

    interesting, did not know about it. results are so so though…

  • http://www.monitorlcd17.org Monitor LCD 17

    Thanks Phil

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